CCoffeez for Closers
← All episodes
20 September 2024

Wahoo's Fish Tacos Wing Lam

5Frameworks
12Insights

Frameworks in this episode

Insights & moments

The myth-busts, hot takes, explainers, and tools worth keeping.

Explainer· 2

Explainer05:00

How Wahoo's Buys Premium Fish Without Switching to Farmed Salmon

Lam says Wahoo's is the largest buyer of Wahoo in the United States and buys fish before boats leave the dock, making an expensive species viable for tacos. He also refuses to switch from wild-caught to farmed salmon because he is concerned about feed and says he will not serve something he does not want to eat himself.

  • Wahoo's buys Wahoo ahead of other buyers before fishing boats depart
  • Volume and advance purchasing help make the fish affordable for tacos
  • Lam says the chain uses wild-caught rather than farmed salmon
  • His concern with farmed protein centers on what the animals are fed
  • Personal willingness to eat the product is his quality boundary

we are the largest buyer of Wahoo in the United States

Wing Lam · 05:00

I don't serve what I don't want to eat

Wing Lam · 07:30
#sourcing#seafood#quality#salmon
Explainer19:00

The Fresh-Food Tradeoff That Makes Wahoo's Hard to Scale

Wahoo's makes salsa, guacamole, and other food from scratch rather than relying on pre-prepared bags and button-driven cooking. Lam credits freshness for the brand's success while acknowledging that it raises training complexity, shortens preparation windows, and makes fish especially easy for inexperienced cooks to overdo.

  • Fresh salsa requires staff to cut and combine ingredients in-store
  • Guacamole and other fresh products must be remade as quality declines
  • Fish can become overcooked within about 30 seconds
  • The same operational difficulty that limits scale also differentiates the food
  • Lam reminds himself that new cooks are learning skills he has practiced for 36 years

part of it is our own fault because we chose to make everything from scratch but part of it is the reason why we're successful

Wing Lam · 20:00

if you want to keep fresh you got to make things literally you know twice a day three times a day

Wing Lam · 20:30
#restaurant-operations#fresh-food#scaling#training

Story· 7

Story02:30

How Mexico Surf Trips Inspired Wahoo's Fish Tacos

Lam traces the restaurant concept to California surfers crossing into Mexico, getting hungry after surfing, and eating fish tacos along the beach. The opportunity was obvious to customers but unattractive to operators: people loved eating the tacos, while few wanted to make them locally.

  • Early surf trips from California often went across the Mexican border
  • Fish tacos were common food along the beach
  • Surfers wanted the same food back home
  • The concept addressed a product people liked but restaurants were not offering

what happens when you surf you get hungry and what you eat along the beach is mostly these fish tacos

Wing Lam · 02:30

everybody loves to eat them nobody wants to make them

Wing Lam · 03:00
#restaurant-origin#fish-tacos#surfing#mexico
Story03:00

Why the Brothers Chose the Name Wahoo's

After considering many fish names, Lam's brother Mingo returned from Hawaii with the word 'ono,' meaning delicious. Concern that people could pronounce it as 'oh no' led them to the alternate name Wahoo, which immediately worked as Wahoo's Fish Taco.

  • The brothers wanted the restaurant to be named after a fish
  • Mingo suggested the Hawaiian word 'ono' after attending a wedding
  • A possible 'oh no' pronunciation made the name risky
  • Wahoo was presented as the other word for Ono and fit the restaurant name

what about we call it onos which is Hawaiian for everything's delicious

Wing Lam · 03:30

oh my God Wah's fish taco what a great name

Wing Lam · 03:30
#naming#branding#hawaii#wahoo
Story10:00

Wahoo's Lost 85% of Its Business in Two Days

When California announced pandemic shutdowns, Lam says most people missed the footnote allowing restaurants to remain open. Wahoo's lost 85% of its business and staff, leaving stores that normally scheduled 15 to 20 people operating with a cashier, server, and cook; Los Angeles unrest then added pressure to locations there.

  • California announced the shutdown on Wednesday for Friday
  • Lam says 85% of restaurant business disappeared within those two days
  • The company also lost 85% of its staff
  • A normal 15-to-20-person shift fell to three people
  • Most of the locations ultimately lost were in Los Angeles

two days 85% of our business disappeared

Wing Lam · 10:30

most restaurant had a cashier a server and a cook three people that normally would had like 15 20 on a shift

Wing Lam · 10:30
#covid#restaurants#crisis#staffing
Story16:30

Three Brothers Built Wahoo's After Rejecting Corporate Careers

Lam's parents wanted their sons to earn degrees and obtain conventional professional jobs. Wing found structured corporate engineering work too restrictive, then he and Ed borrowed money from their parents to open a Costa Mesa restaurant; Mingo later joined, and additional locations gave each brother enough work and income.

  • Lam's parents already operated the Shanghai Pine Garden restaurant
  • His older brothers became an attorney and a doctor
  • Wing worked on the space shuttle after college but disliked corporate structure
  • Wing and Ed wrote their restaurant idea on a napkin and borrowed from their parents
  • One location could not support two people, which prompted expansion to a second and then third

we literally wrote everything on a napkin

Wing Lam · 18:00

literally no plan other than to have a place that we he and I could go to work

Wing Lam · 18:30
#founding-story#family-business#immigration#entrepreneurship
Story22:00

A National Commercial Gave 13-Store Wahoo's a Massive Marketing Break

Thirteen years after the business began, Wahoo's was selected from hundreds of applicants for a national small-business commercial. The brothers' story of Chinese immigrants serving Mexican food shaped the campaign's American Dream theme, and Lam says Wahoo's received more than half of the campaign budget and aired almost nightly for a year.

  • A broker connected to Mingo saw a request for interesting minority-owned clients
  • About 30 of more than 650 applicants advanced to phone interviews
  • Six businesses were ultimately selected
  • The brothers and their parents appeared in the commercial
  • Lam estimates the exposure represented more than $60 million in marketing

where else in the world can a Chinese guy sell Mexican food this is your American dream

Wing Lam · 23:30

out of the 30 six got picked of the six we ended up with over a half of the campaign's budget

Wing Lam · 24:00
#advertising#american-dream#brand-growth#media
Story48:00

Why Personal Losses Matter More to Lam Than Market Collapses

Lam identifies the unexpected death of his oldest brother in a car accident as a hardship that changed many things. He contrasts irreversible personal loss with recessions, market collapses, and business crises that were painful but could eventually be overcome.

  • Lam's oldest brother, the attorney, died in a car accident about ten years into the business
  • The death was unexpected rather than age-related
  • Lam says the company survived recessions, the internet boom, and real-estate disruption
  • Calls beginning with 'did you hear' now make him fear news that someone has died
  • He had recently learned that a motorcyclist he knew was killed by a tire crossing the freeway

my oldest brother passed away you know about 10 years into the business

Wing Lam · 48:00

all the economic stuff we've seen all the recessions the you all these crazy you know uh Market collapse the internet boom the real estate…

Wing Lam · 48:30
#grief#family#hardship#perspective
Story51:00

An Unwanted Auction Lot Opened a Global Sports Network

At a Tony Hawk charity auction, Lam made the opening bid on an unfamiliar two-night Abu Dhabi sports-awards trip and unexpectedly won it. The event introduced him to elite international athletes, gave him the setting to propose to his future wife, and led to two more trips and a friendship with childhood Formula 1 hero Emerson Fittipaldi.

  • The auction benefited work building skate parks around the country
  • Lam initially knew little about Abu Dhabi or the unnamed event
  • Tony Hawk had donated his ambassador tickets
  • Lam describes the ceremony as a worldwide version of the Oscars for sports
  • Kelly Slater won after his tenth world title
  • Lam later attended events in England and Malaysia

opening bid I open my hand nobody else bids on this thing so I ended up winning

Wing Lam · 52:30

we met amazing athletes

Wing Lam · 57:30
#auction#sports#relationships#abu-dhabi

Q&A· 1

Q&A58:30

Wing Lam's Goals for Adventure, Wahoo's, and Family

Lam wants to go heli-boarding and surf in Tahiti while he can still enjoy those experiences. For Wahoo's, he wants a post-pandemic system that restores real profitability and leaves a legacy for the next generation; for his family, he wants shared enjoyment and to help fulfill his wife's remaining wishes.

  • His personal goals include heli-boarding and surfing near the Tahiti Olympic venue
  • His business goal is a system that moves Wahoo's beyond pandemic-era conditions
  • He wants the company to return to real profitability
  • Selling the business is not top of mind
  • His family goal emphasizes enjoying time together
  • He wants to help his wife meet Eddie Vedder and Post Malone

it' be nice to be able to come up with a I call it a system where we can finally get out of this whole…

Wing Lam · 59:00

for a family it's just us being able to really enjoy you know our time together

Wing Lam · 59:00
#goals#legacy#family#wahoos

Takeaway· 2

Takeaway31:00

Wahoo's Gave a Later Generation Evidence They Could Build Too

Lam says his brothers went against family and friends who questioned Asian immigrants entering a restaurant category with a very high failure rate. Wahoo's later became visible evidence for younger founders who could point to Wing's example when defending an unconventional business path to their own families.

  • The brothers were advised to take over their father's restaurant instead of building a new brand
  • Friends emphasized both their ethnicity and the restaurant industry's failure rate
  • Lam says later founders thanked him for making the path appear possible
  • The example did not remove the hard work required to succeed

we went against everybody and uh we're still here

Wing Lam · 31:30

we open the door there's a whole generation now they're about 10 20 years behind me

Wing Lam · 32:00
#immigration#representation#entrepreneurship#role-models
Takeaway44:00

Lam Says the Fun Is Not the Tacos but Who Shares Them

Lam's primary business principle is to stop doing work that brings only complaint and no enjoyment. For him, the repeatable task is still making tacos, but serving musicians, athletes, families, and competitors turns that task into a joyful shared experience.

  • Lam says he genuinely enjoys what he does despite the hard work
  • The food itself remains the same across settings
  • The people and place make the work enjoyable
  • Feeding competitors before and after events lets him share their success
  • He connects the experience to the long tradition of breaking bread together

if you're not having fun stop I mean get out stop complaining

Wing Lam · 50:00

the fun part is not making the tacos yeah is who I'm with and where I'm at

Wing Lam · 50:30
#purpose#hospitality#fun#food