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Sarah DeCiantis13 September 2024

UWM’s Marketing Success ft. Sarah DeCiantis

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The myth-busts, hot takes, explainers, and tools worth keeping.

Hot Take· 1

Hot Take23:00

DeCiantis Expects AI to Personalise Marketing, Not Replace Creativity

DeCiantis rejects the near-term idea that AI will take over every creative task because marketing still needs a human element. She expects stronger value from smarter digital placement, audience analytics, and customised website experiences that serve relevant content to different visitors.

  • DeCiantis does not expect AI to replace all creative work
  • Video and audio production tools may still assist marketers
  • Smarter digital placement is a leading use case
  • Website behaviour can support more personalised experiences
  • UWM could tailor content to a broker's lending focus

you can't take the human element out of something that like I was saying earlier that you're trying to humanize

Sarah DeCiantis · 23:30

how do we customize that experience even further and how do we drive that that that human that personalized experience further

Sarah DeCiantis · 24:00
#artificial intelligence#personalization#marketing analytics

Explainer· 1

Explainer06:30

The Four Distinct Brands Inside UWM's Marketing Portfolio

DeCiantis explains that UWM's marketing team manages four brands with different audiences and tones. UWM serves its broker clients, UWM Careers recruits locally, Mortgage Matchup educates consumers and real estate agents, and Be A Mortgage Broker encourages people to enter wholesale mortgage broking.

  • UWM is the main client-facing brand
  • UWM Careers supports hyperlocal recruiting around the campus
  • Mortgage Matchup is the consumer education brand
  • Be A Mortgage Broker promotes entry into the wholesale channel
  • Two brands are B2B and two are B2C

although we're one company there's actually four brands that we have and that we manage that really has their own identity and their own tone

Sarah DeCiantis · 06:30

two brands are B2B and two brands are B Toc

Sarah DeCiantis · 07:30
#brand portfolio#uwm#b2b marketing#b2c marketing

Story· 3

Story03:00

Why Sarah DeCiantis Left Sports for the Mortgage Industry

DeCiantis moved from advertising agencies into sports and entertainment expecting more structure, but partnership work kept her at games and concerts late into the night. After her first son was born, she looked for a marketing role that would let her remain a working mother and get home for family life, which led her to UWM.

  • Agency work gave DeCiantis experience with prominent consumer brands
  • Sports partnership work often kept her out until 11 p.m.
  • Becoming a mother made work-life balance the primary job-search criterion
  • She expected UWM to be temporary but fell in love with the company

if I wanted to be a working mom which I knew I wanted to be um it was not going to work for me to…

Sarah DeCiantis · 04:00

I really wanted to stay in marketing and I started looking for a job um in marketing that would just simply have work life balance

Sarah DeCiantis · 04:30
#career change#working parents#work-life balance
Story25:30

Why Today's AI Debate Reminds DeCiantis of the Internet in 1994

DeCiantis recalls seeing a 1994 news clip whose presenters were unsure how to describe the internet and even how to say the at symbol. She uses it as an analogy for today's uncertainty around AI: the technology is still new, but she expects it to become an ordinary, evolving part of how businesses work.

  • A 1994 broadcast showed how unfamiliar the internet once seemed
  • People could not yet predict its effect on daily life
  • DeCiantis sees a similar stage of uncertainty around AI
  • She expects AI to become an enduring capability rather than a passing trend

I think it is us sitting here talking about AI now in you know 30 years from now it's going to be like people in…

Sarah DeCiantis · 26:00

it isn't going to be a trend it's just going to be this ever evolving thing

Sarah DeCiantis · 26:30
#ai adoption#internet history#technology change
Story30:00

The Hardest Part of Building UWM's Marketing Function

When DeCiantis joined UWM, the marketing team consisted of two people and the company had grown with limited marketing depth. Her biggest challenge was demonstrating marketing's broad business value inside an organisation accustomed to sales support, trade advertising, and analytically framed results.

  • DeCiantis began as vice-president of a two-person marketing team
  • UWM had sales support, trade ads, and trade-show activity
  • The organisation did not yet have deep understanding of marketing's wider role
  • Ten years later marketing had become a valued part of go-to-market work
  • The function now partners with sales and technology

one of the biggest challenges in all honesty was um demonstrating the value that marketing can bring to an organization

Sarah DeCiantis · 30:30

marketing is very very much so um a valued piece of the overall puzzle

Sarah DeCiantis · 31:30
#marketing leadership#organizational change#uwm

Takeaway· 7

Takeaway13:30

How a 55-Person Marketing Team Serves 7,000 Staff and 40,000 Brokers

DeCiantis credits UWM's marketing output to a focused, long-tenured team that works closely together and understands the same overarching vision. She says positive culture and leaders working in the weeds with their teams help the company move quickly even when the result is not perfect.

  • The marketing team has about 55 people
  • The company has more than 7,000 staff and serves about 40,000 brokers
  • Long-tenured leaders help maintain a shared vision
  • DeCiantis believes leaders must model the effort they expect
  • The team prioritises getting strong work done together over perfection

we have about 55 people on the marketing team um you know for a company of you know over 7,000 and serving you know 40,000…

Sarah DeCiantis · 14:00

if I'm not grinding like I grind then I can't really expect that of the team

Sarah DeCiantis · 15:30
#team scale#leadership#marketing operations
Takeaway16:00

Why DeCiantis Learns from a Portfolio of Mentors

DeCiantis does not attribute her development to one pivotal mentor. She draws different lessons from UWM leaders, friends in and outside her industry, stay-at-home mothers, colleagues, and family, then combines useful pieces into her own approach.

  • Different people offer different expertise and perspectives
  • Valuable examples can come from outside a person's industry
  • No single person represents the only correct way to work or live
  • The learner adapts useful pieces instead of copying someone completely

I really like to draw from a lot of different individuals because I don't think that there's any one perfect or right way to do…

Sarah DeCiantis · 17:30

take those bits and pieces and kind of weave it into to what you do

Sarah DeCiantis · 17:30
#mentorship#learning#career development
Takeaway18:30

Culture Does Not Survive Without Modelling and Training

DeCiantis says a declared culture goes nowhere unless leaders repeatedly demonstrate the expected behaviour. UWM reinforces its culture through executive coaching, leadership development, recurring training, and leaders who model the same direction for successive layers of the organisation.

  • Culture begins with behaviour from the top
  • Leaders must repeat and reinforce expected conduct
  • UWM executives meet with leadership coaches
  • Training occurs monthly or quarterly depending on the programme
  • Aligned leaders influence the direction of their teams

when the tone gets set you have to keep repeating the tone every single day

Sarah DeCiantis · 19:00

if you just say this is what our culture is going to be but nobody ever focuses on it or nobody ever emulates it no…

Sarah DeCiantis · 22:30
#company culture#leadership training#role modelling
Takeaway27:30

The Essential Marketing Skill Is Becoming an Expert Learner

DeCiantis says marketers cannot become comfortable with what they know because technologies and platforms keep changing. The durable mindset is to follow developments, understand their effect on clients, and keep learning without automatically chasing every new tool.

  • Marketing changes too quickly for repetitive comfort
  • Reading and trend monitoring keep practitioners informed
  • Marketers should understand how clients use new technology
  • The field is too broad and fluid for a final state of expertise

you can never relax on what you think you know because it's always going to change

Sarah DeCiantis · 27:30

you just have to be an expert learner

Joe Shalaby · 30:00
#marketing careers#continuous learning#adaptability
Takeaway34:30

How DeCiantis Uses Chores and Debit Cards to Teach Money

DeCiantis and her husband give their children $10 a week for household chores through child debit cards. When the children want nonessential items, the parents ask what is in their accounts and whether that is how they want to spend it, while missed chores can reduce the weekly payment.

  • The children receive weekly money for household contributions
  • Nonessential purchases are considered against each child's own balance
  • The parents continue providing needs and some wants
  • Chores include laundry, beds, dishes, and rubbish bins
  • A missed responsibility can lead to a deduction

what do you have in your account how much do you have in your account is that how you want to spend your money

Sarah DeCiantis · 34:30

just because Mom and Dad have money doesn't mean you have money

Sarah DeCiantis · 35:00
#parenting#financial literacy#chores
Takeaway39:30

Why DeCiantis Targets Three to Four Family Trips a Year

DeCiantis treats family travel as an explicit annual goal because her childhood vacation remains one of her strongest memories. She and her husband try to take three or four trips with their children each year, including shorter weekends, to protect family time and encourage a lasting interest in travelling together.

  • Travel is a shared priority for DeCiantis and her husband
  • Childhood vacation memories shaped the goal
  • The family targets three to four trips each year
  • Not every trip needs to last a full week
  • She hopes a travel habit will preserve family trips as the children age

we set goal every year and we we really try to go on three to four family trips a year

Sarah DeCiantis · 40:30

really try to get that family time with them

Sarah DeCiantis · 40:30
#family goals#travel#time together
Takeaway41:00

DeCiantis's Goal to Make UWM's Dashboard Work Harder

DeCiantis identifies adoption of UWM's redesigned dashboard as a major professional goal. She wants its rankings, pricing control, and business-growth information to help brokers remember useful actions while reducing the explanatory burden on the sales team.

  • The dashboard launched in January of the episode year
  • Its redesigned sections replaced what was described as a junk drawer
  • The first view shifted emphasis from marketing to business information
  • The dashboard is intended to support both clients and sales staff
  • Training is discussed as a way to improve adoption

one of my big goals for this year is making sure that that that uh area of the website is working as hard as it…

Sarah DeCiantis · 41:00

it really is a focus to to make that that space work as hard as it possibly can for our clients but also for our…

Sarah DeCiantis · 42:00
#product adoption#sales enablement#dashboard