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TravisMathew CEO Ryan Ellis25 October 2024

Elevating Sportswear ft. TravisMathew CEO Ryan Ellis

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Hot Take· 1

Hot Take21:30

A Weak Apparel Market Can Create Startup White Space

Ellis argues that a difficult apparel market can be a timely entry point because larger brands respond with layoffs and line reductions. He says customers are trading down, full-price conversion is under pressure, and special products can shift spending rather than add incremental revenue.

  • Mall traffic for TravisMathew was up while conversion was down
  • Off-price channels were thriving as full-price channels struggled
  • Special collections can replace other purchases instead of expanding total spend
  • Cuts by larger brands can open market space for new entrants

the customer trading down for price and they're only purchasing when they have either a sale or there's some a Reggie Bush type item that's…

Ryan Ellis · 23:00

there's going to be a lot of open space from some of the bigger Brands

Ryan Ellis · 23:30
#apparel market#consumer spending#startups#retail

Explainer· 1

Explainer12:30

Why President and CEO Felt Like Night and Day

Ellis distinguishes the president role's focus on product, customers, and brand from the CEO role's total accountability for people, numbers, board interaction, and cross-functional leadership. He compares the difference to riding as a passenger versus driving to a destination yourself.

  • The CEO carries organization-wide accountability
  • Every statement from a senior leader has greater weight than they may realize
  • People across the company seek direct access to the CEO
  • Missed numbers ultimately belong to the CEO

the weight of the CEO position versus president is is night and day

Ryan Ellis · 13:30

if we don't hit our numbers it's on me it's not on the team it's on me I have to figure that out

Ryan Ellis · 14:00
#ceo#accountability#leadership#executives

Story· 5

Story06:00

He Took a Quarter of the Pay to Escape a Career Track

Ellis started in retail because he wanted to understand the business from the ground up, but repeated promotions risked keeping him on one side of the industry. He took a role paying about one quarter as much to learn sales and merchandising, then later joined TravisMathew after seeing an underserved gap in golf apparel.

  • Ellis deliberately began with an entry-level retail path
  • Promotions can deepen a career track that no longer fits the goal
  • He accepted a major pay cut to learn the other side of apparel
  • He joined TravisMathew after seeing products he would not personally wear in golf stores

I took a job for about a quarter of the pay to get on the other side of the business

Ryan Ellis · 07:30
#career change#apparel#retail#risk
Story27:00

How the Heater Shirt Switched to Sustainable Fabric

Ellis says TravisMathew changed the fabric in its core Heater shirt to an eco-friendly option while keeping the consumer price stable. He presents it as a difficult but successful case of absorbing the extra material cost through volume and supplier partnership.

  • Eco-friendly fabric usually adds cost per garment
  • Changing a core high-volume product makes that extra cost harder to absorb
  • The company kept the Heater's price unchanged
  • Volume and an overseas partner supported the economics

we changed the fabrication um to an eco-friendly Fabric and that's been a big initiative of ours

Ryan Ellis · 27:00

we're able to take a sustainable Fabric in one of our core pieces which is hard to do to up that cost and yet keep…

Ryan Ellis · 27:30
#sustainability#product#pricing#supply chain
Story33:00

Toilet Paper, Coloring Books, and Pandemic Leadership

When the pandemic shut the office and created uncertainty about jobs and the company's survival, Ellis increased communication through weekly videos. TravisMathew mixed direct business updates with culturally authentic gestures, including sending employees toilet paper and a company-designed coloring book for their children.

  • Ellis used weekly video to keep employees informed
  • The company combined serious updates with humor
  • Employee packages reflected the practical reality of being stuck at home
  • The communication style matched TravisMathew's existing culture

I started like overc communicating so I started every week I would send a video

Ryan Ellis · 33:30

because of that approach it was so authentic to us like our people it that's our culture it really resonates in our people

Ryan Ellis · 34:30
#pandemic#communication#culture#employees
Story38:30

The Handshake Commitment Ellis Uses With His Son

Ellis uses athletics to teach discipline while letting his children choose the sport. When his son chose basketball over baseball, they made a handshake commitment to replace the former baseball days with additional basketball practice, and Ellis reminds him of that choice on difficult days.

  • The child selects the sport rather than having it imposed
  • The chosen sport comes with a clear practice commitment
  • Parents reinforce the agreement when motivation drops
  • Ellis distinguishes discipline from pushing very young children too hard

the biggest way you know that I've seen and my kids are old enough now is Athletics I think Athletics are so important

Ryan Ellis · 38:30

you and I we're going to have a handshake commitment here we're going after it

Ryan Ellis · 39:30
#parenting#sports#discipline#commitment
Story45:00

The Random Customer Encounter That Helped Save the Brand

During TravisMathew's fragile early period, its investor was close to withholding further funding. According to Ellis, the investor's neighbor unknowingly praised a TravisMathew outfit to the brand's founder, after which the investor gave Ellis and designer Joey additional ownership and committed a one-million-dollar check.

  • The company had generated about half a million dollars midway through its second year
  • Ellis argued that sell-through showed real demand despite the small team
  • The neighbor did not know he was speaking to the founder
  • The investment enabled Ellis to hire a sales team

I think our investor was very close to saying this was fun got to make golf clothing for a year I don't want to put…

Ryan Ellis · 46:00

we're going cut a million dollar check and that was it

Ryan Ellis · 47:30
#startup story#funding#customer proof#apparel

Takeaway· 6

Takeaway02:00

Why Ryan Ellis Protects His First Two Working Hours

Ryan Ellis says his morning performance begins with putting his phone down around 8:30 p.m. and getting up between 3:30 and 4:00 a.m. He avoids scrolling, showers immediately, and uses the quiet early hours for focused work before meetings begin.

  • The morning routine starts with an evening wind-down
  • Immediate movement prevents phone scrolling from taking over
  • Ellis reserves his highest-capacity hours for focused office work

try to as much as I can get my phone down at 8:30 and turn it upside down

Ryan Ellis · 02:30

my you know first two hours in the office I get more done than the next eight

Ryan Ellis · 03:00
#morning routine#focus#sleep#deep work
Takeaway16:00

The Billion-Dollar Goal Behind TravisMathew's Expansion

Ellis says he is committed to taking TravisMathew to one billion dollars in annual revenue without attaching a date to the target. He describes an international footprint that includes Europe, Japan, Korea, Canada, Australia, and South America, while noting that international business remains more golf-focused than the North American brand.

  • The stated ambition is one billion dollars in annual revenue
  • Ellis views the target as difficult but achievable
  • The brand already operates across several international markets
  • International sales are expected to exceed 10% in the long-range plan

I got my sites on a billion I don't have a date to it but I want to get this company to a billion I'm…

Ryan Ellis · 16:30

we see in that long-term plan you know International will be you know a little over 10%

Ryan Ellis · 18:30
#growth#international#revenue#apparel
Takeaway28:00

Why Ellis Warns Apparel Brands Against Owning Warehouses

Ellis says TravisMathew once tried to own every operational function, including its warehouse, but specialization became more attractive as the company grew. He warns that apparent savings must be weighed against third-party logistics costs, management distraction, and the burden of adding roughly 80 employees.

  • Vertical ownership can become a distraction at scale
  • Warehouse economics should be compared with third-party logistics
  • Headcount and employee experience add hidden operational costs
  • Leadership attention should stay on the largest available opportunity

there was a time at Travis Matthew where we try to own everything like we had our own Warehouse we we did everything ourselves

Ryan Ellis · 28:00

to me it's like keep the eye on the prize we have so much here to go grab let's just keep going for it

Ryan Ellis · 28:30
#warehousing#outsourcing#operations#3pl
Takeaway29:00

The Personal Tradeoff Ellis Makes to Lead the Company

Ellis says the CEO role leaves meaningful time for family and work but little else. He prioritizes his immediate family first and work second, accepting reduced time for friends and other relationships without describing his family time as a sacrifice.

  • Ellis places family before work
  • The role leaves little room for a separate social life
  • Work itself includes friendships and enjoyable experiences
  • He accepts the tradeoff rather than resenting it

you really have time for family and you have time for work and there's just not much other time

Ryan Ellis · 29:00

family comes first always work comes second and then whatever the rest of it is is what it is

Ryan Ellis · 29:30
#family#work life#ceo#priorities
Takeaway54:00

Why Ellis Stepped Back From the Women's Line

Ellis says the women's business requires him to let go and allow a predominantly female team to create for and listen to its customer. He retains some involvement but says the team runs the line because its members understand that customer better.

  • The women's team is about 95% women
  • Ellis sees stepping back as part of building the new line
  • Customer understanding sits with the team closest to her needs
  • His role includes influence without taking over creative direction

I have a whole entire women team and it's 95% women

Ryan Ellis · 54:00

it's me letting go a little bit like I'm letting them create and be creative um and really listen to her

Ryan Ellis · 54:30
#womenswear#delegation#customer insight#leadership
Takeaway55:00

Ellis's Goal to Stop Managing Relationships by Text Reply

Ellis identifies a personal goal of deliberately maintaining important relationships beyond his immediate family and work. He wants to name the people who matter, create regular touchpoints, and arrange occasional dinners instead of relying on reactive text replies.

  • The goal concerns relationships outside immediate family and work
  • Ellis wants to identify the people he intends to keep close
  • Regular touchpoints should replace purely reactive communication
  • Planned dinners are one way to sustain those relationships

write down like who are the people I want to make sure I get those consistent touch bases with

Ryan Ellis · 55:30

what are the important relationships in my life that that I really want to keep

Ryan Ellis · 55:30
#relationships#goals#friendship#time